You know, Dr. King always said that the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards

justice. But the deal is it done bent on its own. It only bends when people like us, that is,

average, ordinary, but extraordinary American citizens put our hands on that arc and pull it

towards justice. And that's what each of us has to ask ourselves, what if I going to do to save

this democracy and make this nation the exceptional one that it has shown that it can be.

Hi, everyone. Welcome to the Best People podcast. We have a real treat for you this week. Someone

whose words are really precious in these tumultuous times. Someone I seek out when he's on my colleagues' programs, someone we always invite to be on ours, someone we feel very, very fortunate to have an hour with today. Without any further ado, because I want you to hear from him, this is the best people. This is former attorney general Eric Holder.

Thank you for being here. Hey, Nicole. Good to see you. Thanks for having me.

So I always like to pull back the curtain and sort of show our listeners my work, our work. And the first thing I

said to you was that I'm wrestling with the story we're covering right now, which is about

Alex Pruddy and the horrific way in which he was killed by Donald Trump's immigration agents.

And you had a very profound note for me. So I'd love to pull that

out of you again. You think it's important that people see what's happening with their own eyes?

Yeah, I do think it's important for people to understand the totality of what happened to an

American citizen who was only there demonstrating, consistent with his First Amendment rights,

and to see how he was treated. It is a difficult thing to watch, but it is something that I think

we need to see in order to really get a sense of what happened there. And I think back to the 50s

and what Mamie Tillis did with regard to her son Emmett Till, when she made the determination

to display to the world, his disfigured face after he had been beaten, thrown in a river,

and that had a profound impact on the civil rights movement. And I think if America could handle

that in the 50s, America can certainly handle it

in the 21st century. Now, it's an easy thing for me to say that's not my boy who was lying there

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