Welcome to the Judge John Hodgman podcast. I'm Bale of Jesse Thorn. We're in chambers this week

clearing the docket. And with me, as always, I don't know if I can say unpublished novelist

or published non-novelist Judge John Hodgman. That's fair. That's fair of all the literary genres

I have done battle with and been conquered by. The novel is not one of them. But we do have

someone who has written and published one novel and written and has just published another novel.

It's our friend Linda Holmes. Jesse Thorn, will you introduce Linda Holmes, please?

Linda Holmes, of course, is one of the hosts of NPR's pop culture. Happy hour. She's an occasional

host on my showbles. I was Jesse Thorn. She is the author already of one New York Times best-selling

novel. And now of a second, which I believe in my heart of hearts, will become a New York Times

bestseller. Flying solo. Out now. Get it wherever you get your books. Spend your summer with this

charming and delightful novel. She's also the coiner of the term Little Weird Zs. Linda Holmes,

High Linda. Hi, Jesse. This is the most interesting legacy I have. Yes. The Little Weird Zs

legacy. Well, we're going to clear a docket today, the three of us, plus Super Producer Jennifer

Marmer. And this docket is consists entirely of Little Weird Zs. So before we wait into the weird,

maybe you could define the Linda Holmes definition of what a Little Weird Z is.

Yeah, I mean, this came up in the context of wanting a new glass of water rather than

wanting to drink an existing glass of water. And just having really strong feelings about the

fact that there was something wrong with the existing glass of water. And so we talked about the

fact that everybody has these things that you just want to do them your way. You're a little

maybe over invested in them. They're a little too important to you, but you just have your feelings.

And you want to be accommodated. And it can be a little bit hard to navigate in close relationships

with other people, whether spouses or friends or family or whoever. And those things are your

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