Welcome, everyone to the RPA Strait Podcast. I'm Nick Shaw and joined by Dr. Mike. What's up, man?

Hey, Nick. It's good to be with you here on this insert day in which you are listening, insert time.

Nice, nice, nice. A topic comes up a lot.

And now that we've got the RP hypertrophy app, it is built in.

This idea seems counterintuitive, right?

You download an app, paying money for, you want to train.

You want to get ourselves.

I want to go hard.

Yes.

So, you know, some people are probably looking at that.

And now again, most people are probably maybe have seen, heard the term delode. That's what we're talking about today, delodes. But on the

surface, it seems slightly counterintuitive. Yep. I get better because I go hard. I push my body

to its limits. And now you're telling me there's this part of training in which we purposefully back away from the limits really far. Hold on. I'm really good at backing away from

the limits really far. That's what I've been doing my whole life until I started training.

And it did not make me jacked. So why you bring in my old habits back to me? Yeah. Yeah. No,

no. So I want to dive into like, okay, so how did you first kind of come to

the idea of delodes? Oh, that's exactly. I came to the idea of delodes. I was training every set to

failure. So were you. You were my training partner at the University of Michigan. And we still

continued on the bodybuilding track where some of our powerlifting friends, Trevor Fentner, who now works for RP. Ben Schweitzer is a really great friend of ours. And someone who I've not kept in touch with is always a great person. Mike Romanelli. Is that the correct name? Yeah, I know. I know who you're talking about. Yeah, they stuck to powerlifting and they read a lot of elite fts articles and they

started to incorporate delodes regularly and uh you and i you did well it was you were more of a

beginner i was a little bit more advanced and my strength and size progress was stalled for quite

some time or just a cceler increasing very slowly and all those guys basically blew by me as far as like definitely a year of progress. And many of them actually objectively become bigger and stronger than me. And I, and they were like making fun of me out to my face for training and failure all the time and not deloading. And you know, I had my little IQ bullshit so I could argue back crap that didn't make any sense, but made me feel

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