Ali Breland on Germany’s Neo-Nazi Resurgence
The Lawfare Podcast
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🗓️ 10 May 2023
⏱️ 44 minutes
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Since 2012, Germany has accepted more refugees than any other country in Europe aside from Turkey. The German government has dispersed these asylum seekers and other immigrants throughout the country, a policy roundly celebrated by refugee activists and governments alike. But as reporter Ali Breland recently wrote in the New Republic, “[T]hese seemingly well-intentioned policies have created dangerous situations where people of color are forced to reside in regions that may be hostile to their presence, and where they face greater threats from neo-Nazis and fascists.”
Lawfare Managing Editor Tyler McBrien sat down with Ali, a reporter at Mother Jones covering internet disinformation, technology, race, and politics, to discuss his article and reporting trip to Germany. They discussed the roots of the current neo-Nazi resurgence there, the dark side of Germany’s lauded refugee resettlement program, and why the country might be a warning sign for the rest of Europe. They also discussed parallels between the far right movements in Germany and the United States.
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| 0:29.0 | They very, very much deny being like a neo-Nazi party, |
| 0:37.0 | but then like every so often there will be some controversy. |
| 0:39.0 | Like someone will found to have like expressed like neo-Nazi sympathies |
| 0:43.0 | or like just like deeply national and stick and like racist perspectives |
| 0:47.0 | and like private texts or things like that. |
| 0:49.0 | And so like, it's hard to say exactly, but it also doesn't matter |
| 0:54.0 | because like this party that is like harboring Nazis is like catching like a lot of steam. |
| 0:58.0 | And so like the story that I wanted to do from that, |
| 1:02.0 | because this is something that is like known and is covered is like, |
| 1:04.0 | what does that mean for people who are not just like white Germans |
| 1:08.0 | who are like maybe affected by like this sort of like broader democratic implications of this, |
| 1:12.0 | but who are like the like minorities who are asylum seekers who are like directly affected, |
| 1:18.0 | who are like the objects of these people's like hatred, |
| 1:21.0 | like who these people I've won to like exterminator who they want to make miserable. |
| 1:25.0 | I'm Tyler McBrion, Managing Editor of Lawfare, |
| 1:28.0 | and this is the Lawfare Podcast, May 10th, 2023. |
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