El Salvador’s President Cracks Down on Gangs—and Democracy
The Lawfare Podcast
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🗓️ 9 May 2023
⏱️ 66 minutes
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Summary
Since March 2022, El Salvador has been under a state of exception as its President Nayib Bukele seeks to crack down on the country’s powerful gangs. Bukele, who once described himself on Twitter as the “world’s coolest dictator,” has engaged in a prolonged attack on El Salvador’s democratic institutions. And the crackdown has resulted in a range of human rights abuses. At the same time, Bukele really does seem to have been successful in curbing gang violence, and his popularity is sky high.
To understand the situation in El Salvador, Lawfare Senior Editor Quinta Jurecic spoke with Manuel Meléndez-Sánchez, a PhD candidate in Political Science at Harvard University who has written about Bukele on Lawfare. They discussed why Bukele’s crackdown on the gangs seems to be working, why it might fall apart in the long term, and what Bukele’s rise means for democracy in El Salvador and around the world.
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| 0:22.0 | rational security, chatter, law fair no bull, and the aftermath. |
| 0:29.0 | There might be some human rights violations, but we get security and we get safety. |
| 0:39.0 | And it tells like when presented with that trade-off, |
| 0:43.0 | a majority of Salvadorans have said, yeah, we'll take it. |
| 0:46.0 | We'll take it and we'll like it. |
| 0:49.0 | And that's has all sorts of implications, certainly for democracy and for human rights. |
| 0:55.0 | But as far as I can tell again, and acknowledging that our access to data and information is really limited, |
| 1:03.0 | but as far as I can tell based on these sort of surveys, that seems to be what's going on. |
| 1:10.0 | I'm Quinteduristic, a senior editor at LawFair. |
| 1:13.0 | And this is the LawFair podcast, May 9, 2023. |
| 1:20.0 | Since March 2022, El Salvador has been under a state of exception, |
| 1:25.0 | as its president, Nayib Bouquetle, seeks to crack down on the country's powerful gangs. |
| 1:31.0 | Bouquetle, who once described himself on Twitter as the world's coolest dictator, |
| 1:36.0 | has engaged in a prolonged attack on El Salvador's democratic institutions, |
| 1:41.0 | and the crackdown has resulted in a range of human rights abuses. |
| 1:46.0 | At the same time, Bouquetle really does seem to have been successful in curbing gang violence, |
| 1:52.0 | and his popularity is sky high. |
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