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AI Pod by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious | Artificial Intelligence News and Interviews With Experts

AI Labs and Pirated Data, BILLIONS in Liability and Deepfakes | Prof. Christa Laser Explains

AI Pod by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious | Artificial Intelligence News and Interviews With Experts

Wes Roth and Dylan Curious

Technology

5.02 Ratings

🗓️ 1 August 2025

⏱️ 139 minutes

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Summary

In this episode of Dylan and Wes Interview, we dive deep into the legal minefield where AI training collides with copyright. Professor Christa Laser unpacks fair-use factors, trillion-dollar risks from pirated data, and why courts split on transformative purpose. Discover how New York Times v. OpenAI, Barks v. Anthropic, and Meta’s defenses could reset creative rights, and learn essential audit steps startups must finish before shipping. Finally, explore Congress’s possible fixes and realistic payout models so innovation and artists both thrive. We clarify synthetic datasets, dilution theories, and data-provenance strategy for legal survival.

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0:00.0

We could be seeing potentially millions or billions of dollars of copyright statutory damages.

0:07.0

Deepfakes online are primarily used for the generation of pornography.

0:11.0

If this ends up going to trial and the court finds that there are millions and millions of pirated works that were all copyrighted, that's a huge amount of damages.

0:21.7

Elon Musk asserted that OpenAI had achieved AI on the basis of some statements of

0:27.0

Open AI engineers.

0:28.3

If you're downloading things that you didn't purchase that are copyrighted, then you're

0:33.6

liable for that.

0:34.4

This idea that we're going to have AI lawyers, it won't happen.

0:40.2

Hi, I'm Krista Laser, and I'm a professor of intellectual property law at Cleveland State

0:46.9

University College of Law.

0:48.3

I'm also the director of the intellectual property and entrepreneurship center, which is newly

0:54.0

formed there.

0:54.7

I have a YouTube channel and a website at Krista laser.com where I post topics related to

1:02.1

intellectual property law and innovation, including AI, blockchain, and biofarmaceuticals as well.

1:09.2

All right, Krista, thank you so much for being here today.

1:11.7

We're going to be talking about some very interesting, very hotly debated topics around kind of the intersection of AI and copyright law.

1:21.3

You know, there's a lot of controversy and I think also a lot of confusion and misunderstanding about where everything is heading.

1:27.8

So to get some clarity and some understanding about how the law works in conjunction with copyright and that stuff, I think this is going to be incredibly illuminating for a lot of people.

1:39.2

So I guess my first question, you know, we're going to be talking about Barts versus Anthropic,

1:46.1

which was a pretty big case that I think illuminated how U.S. law sees a lot of this stuff.

1:52.0

But before we even jump in there, I think there's a lot of confusion about what different

1:57.6

words mean and don't mean exactly. I know a lot of publications often will say something like these AI models are trained

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