Hi, this is against everyone with Connor Habib.

Well, friends, this is the first episode in a while where I'm not talking about esoteric

Christianity directly.

It does come up on this episode with T.K. Coleman.

But I just want to say that I think that when we talk about spiritual pursuits a lot, we can get so, I don't know, kind of high-minded about it that we forget that all the temptations, but also the goals and the excitements and enthusiasms of what people call real life are always present with us as well.

You know, a career, a family, creative endeavors, developing your body at the gym, all that kind of stuff.

The stuff we shape our days around, and that to some extent we have to shape our days around because of the structures

we live in, all that stuff. People call that real life. And, you know, I think that split between

what we're seeking or what we're interested in or what we're deepening spiritually and real life

can seem pretty profound. And also not just a split, but they can seem in opposition with each other.

They can seem completely disjointed because the everyday life stuff has such an anxious opacity to it that

doesn't allow you to see that you have a spiritual life. And also, that means that it might be

very far removed from the work of meditating or contemplation or developing your inner life.

So, you know, when you're deeply connected to the material world, you can be in a sort of sleep.

But it's important to remember that the material world, you can be in a sort of sleep. But it's important to remember that the

material world is spiritual too. And so are the pursuits that I mentioned. The Irish mystic philosopher

John Moriarty, who I've talked about on the show once said that matter is mind and hibernation.

So matter itself is an aspect of mind that is just kind of sleeping or just dormant

or waiting to be illuminated by the insights that are going on in your inner world.

So how do you get it all lined up? Is it possible?

What happens when you try to get your spiritual life and your material life, your inner life

and your outer goals lined up? Um, and what happens when you do that and things that you care

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