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Against Everyone with Conner Habib

AEWCH 227: MARK O'CONNELL on MURDER

Against Everyone with Conner Habib

Against Everyone With Conner Habib

Spirituality, Religion & Spirituality

4.8679 Ratings

🗓️ 4 July 2023

⏱️ 89 minutes

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Summary

I talk with author Mark O'Connell about how we think of murderers - and how horrific crimes bend reality and change us - using Malcolm MacCarthur's murders. and Mark's new book on him, as the starting point.

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0:00.0

Hi, this is against everyone with Connor Abeeb. Friends, you could probably guess that I'm someone who's

0:06.6

interested in violence. I'm someone who writes about it, and I have lots of other writers and

0:12.9

filmmakers and thinkers who are concerned with violence on the show. And I wonder why our

0:19.9

imaginations bend towards it so much.

0:23.4

More specifically, why do our imaginations bend with the contours of murder?

0:30.7

Murder is something that is once melodramatic, preposterous, horrifying, cruel,

0:41.1

and it's something I and so many of us are interested in, deeply interested in. Why? This is something that I explore on this episode of the

0:47.5

show with Mark O'Connell, who in the writing of his new book, A Threat of Violence, A Story of

0:53.5

Truth, Invention, and Murder,

0:55.4

found Mark face-to-face literally with someone who has murdered two people in an almost

1:02.1

absurd, chaotically cast web of rage, desperation, lies, violence, and deception.

1:10.1

If you live outside Ireland, you probably don't know the story of these two murders in 1982.

1:17.4

So here's the bare bones of it.

1:20.1

Malcolm MacArthur was, at the time, a sort of man of leisure and an estate, who, upon finding his finances and the finances of his

1:30.4

family dwindling, created this strange and erratic plan to commit armed robbery for more money.

1:38.6

But his plan didn't just go haywire like some heist movie.

1:42.0

He decided, as this non-plan, didn't even come close to unfolding, to kill two people,

1:50.5

as if possessed, murdering Bridie Gargan with a hammer after stealing her car, and shooting

1:57.0

Donald Dunn with his own shotgun.

2:00.0

After killing them, the series of events didn't get

2:03.4

any more mundane. Instead, it continued to be what was called here, grotesque, unbelievable, bizarre,

2:12.2

and unprecedented. That actually gave rise to an acronym, Goubu in Ireland, that a lot of Irish people just know,

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