Hello and welcome back to ACFM, this is producer Matt.

At several points in the episode we're about to listen to, the gang make reference to

the microdose we released to accompany this trip.

However, they don't call it by its name, so I'm going to do that now.

The microdose is entitled, Mothers of Invention, and is a fascinating conversation between Nadia

and the right-wing journalist, Katrina Marsal.

It's available now up on Novara, so do check it out in good time.

If you don't worry, it won't affect your enjoyment of what we're about to hear if you haven't

listened to it yet.

OK, on with the show.

Hello and welcome to ACFM, the home of the Weird Left.

I'm Jeremy Gilbert, I'm here as usual with my friends Nadia Eidl.

Hello.

And Keir Milben.

Hello.

And today we are going to talk about the subject of technology.

Yeah, so I came up with this subject because I came across a book by Catherine Marsal,

and it had some fascinating stuff in it that really made me think about the relationship

between technological development and gender, but also economics, and just the really

basic question of when we call something a technology and when we don't, and how these

things develop over history.

And it got me thinking about questions like the relationship of the left to technology

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