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Hello and welcome to ACFM, the Home with the Weird Left. I'm Nadia Idol and I'm joined by Keir Milburn.

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For this special microdose with Heidi Chow on Sovereign Debt. Hello, Heidi and welcome to ACFM.

Hi, Nadia. Thank you so much for having me. Hi, Kea.

Hi. We're really, really happy to have you to talk about this really complex subject,

and we hope that we can make it slightly easier for our listeners to understand what this is all about.

So, welcome to ACFM. Heidi, if you don't mind, we'd love to hear a little bit about yourself and a little bit

about your background and how you got into this work. Yeah, thank you so much for that, Nadia.

Yeah, so I'm the executive director at a campaigning organization called Debt Justice. We campaign in

solidarity with activists and campaigners from the global south in order to amplify their

demands and their campaigns against unjust debt. So we used to be called a Jubilee debt campaign

and that we were set up in the 1990s to coordinate the UK branch of a global debt cancellation campaign

called Jubilee 2000. But we're still around now and we are

in addition to doing work on global south we also now work on household debt in the UK as well

so we use a community organizing approach for that to build collective power with people with

lived experience of debt in order to lead and win campaigns on the debt issues that affect them.

For me personally, I've been an economic justice campaigner for around two decades.

I've worked on a range of issues such as global health and access to medicines.

I've worked on food and agriculture, trade, financial markets regulation,

and now I'm working on sovereign debt. So I guess for me, the main theme that kind of runs across

all these different areas is around challenging the rules of the global economy that have been

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