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Fareed Zakaria GPS

A win for NATO, a loss for Russia?

Fareed Zakaria GPS

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4.2 • 3.1K Ratings

🗓️ 17 April 2022

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

CNN’s Matt Rivers updates Fareed on Russia’s brutal assault on the city of Mariupol. Then, former Swedish Prime Minister Carl Bildt explains how Putin’s war in Ukraine is changing Europe’s security calculus and forcing countries like Finland and Sweden to seriously consider joining NATO. Plus, Bill Browder, formerly the largest foreign investor in Russia, discusses what motivates Putin and how to use that knowledge to end the war. And, CNN’s David Culver joins Fareed from COVID lockdown in Shanghai to describe the draconian measures being implemented by the Chinese government. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

This is GPS, the Global Public Square. Welcome to all of you in the United States and around

0:12.7

the world. I'm Farid Zakaria coming to you live from New York.

0:18.3

Today on the show, Russia threatens to send nuclear weapons to its western borders, not

0:24.1

to deal with Ukraine, but rather Finland and Sweden, who may soon ask for NATO membership.

0:31.3

What happens if they do? I will talk to Sweden's former Prime Minister, Karl Bilt. And understanding

0:39.3

the breadth of Putin's clamp down inside Russia, including this week's jailing of another

0:44.8

prominent Putin critic. I'll be joined by Bill Browder, who was once the largest foreign

0:50.4

investor in Russia. Then China under lockdown as COVID comes back to the country where it originated

0:59.1

with the vengeance. 25 million people in Shanghai alone are under very strict measures. I'll

1:06.2

check in with one of them, CNN's David Culber.

1:11.4

But first here's my take. Ukraine's brave and brilliant response to Russia's attack

1:16.9

is rightly being celebrated across the world. But it might be obscuring a growing danger.

1:23.2

While the assault on Kiev and the surrounding region has failed, Moscow's strategy in the

1:28.0

south and east of Ukraine could well succeed. If it does, Russia will have turned Ukraine

1:35.1

into an economically crippled rump state, landlocked and threatened on three sides by Russian

1:41.6

military power, always vulnerable to another incursion from Moscow. It will take much more

1:49.2

military assistance from the West to ensure that this catastrophic outcome does not come

1:55.2

to pass. As John KosopoÄźlu, a military scholar and strategist, pressiantly pointed out

2:01.1

in the first few weeks of the war in an essay for the Hudson Institute, there are two distinct

2:06.3

wars taking place in Ukraine, one in the north and one in the south. And the latter

2:11.0

has been radically more successful for Moscow than the one in the north. Russia has been able

2:16.3

to move forces and supplies out of its bases in Crimea and capture the cities of Melitopol

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