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Fareed Zakaria GPS

Can Putin be prosecuted?

Fareed Zakaria GPS

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4.23.1K Ratings

🗓️ 10 April 2022

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

CNN's Phil Black joins Fareed from Lviv, Ukraine with the latest report on Russia’s new commander for the war in Ukraine. Then, former British Prime Minister Gordon Brown calls for the investigation and prosecution of President Vladimir Putin for crimes of aggression in Ukraine. Plus, Meghan O'Sullivan, director of the Geopolitics of Energy Project at Harvard University’s Kennedy School, explains how Europe could wean itself off Russian oil and gas. And, New Yorker writer Masha Gessen explains how Russians see Putin's war.   To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

This is GPS, the global public square. Welcome to all of you in the United States

0:05.7

and around the world. I'm Farid Zakaria coming to you live from New York. Today on

0:11.8

the show, Russia's brutal war shifts focus to the east. We will bring you the

0:18.1

latest from CNN's team on the ground. Then the case for war crimes. Western

0:25.4

governments have vowed to hold Vladimir Putin accountable. But what can the

0:30.0

world do? I will speak to the former British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, who is

0:35.1

calling for a Neuronberg style war crimes tribunal. And one billion euros a day.

0:42.5

That is how much energy Europe is still buying from Russia. How will sanctions

0:48.8

ever work if the oil and the oil money keep flowing? Finally on a lighter note, I

0:55.3

will bring you a clip from my new CNN plus interview with the extraordinary

1:01.2

Billie Joe. But first here's my take. When Russia launched its attack on Ukraine,

1:08.7

a wide variety of commentators believed that there was at least one silver

1:13.4

lining in this catastrophic cloud. Putin's assault on the liberal order they

1:19.1

hoped would expose and delegitimize the illiberal populist forces that have

1:25.2

been surging for years. One commentator speculated that the Ukraine war could end

1:31.0

the age of populism. Another, the scholar Francis Fukuyama, saw it as an

1:35.7

opportunity for people to finally reject right-wing nationalism. To last, six

1:41.6

weeks into this conflict, such speculation looks like wishful thinking. In

1:47.4

Europe, two pivotal elections in Hungary and France tell the tale. As recently as

1:53.4

a week ago, it was possible to suggest, as an essay in the Atlantic, did, that the

1:58.4

Ukraine war was upending European politics by highlighting the illiberal and

2:03.5

pro-Putin records of the French far-right leader Marine Le Pen and the Hungarian

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