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I see Crenz every once in a while still at meetings.

I think he was a very integral person.

I think he really believed he was high principles.

He really wanted to save things.

He still wishes he could have saved things today, but he just wasn't up to it.

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We continue the story of Victor Grossman,

the US Army soldier who defected to East Germany.

He tells us of his life in the GDR,

his close friendship with Dean Reed, the Red

Elvis, of shortages and his criticism of the regime. He also shares his view on Egon

Crenz and details of his first trip back to the United States in the 1990s. Thanks to our

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But I was aware in the building where I live, we knew of two men who lived in apartments here.

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