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And I asked one of the guys about his time on that submarine,

and he told me that he had been to Muammuzk with that submarine.

So I'd never heard about that.

So I asked him, is that something you're allowed to talk about?

Well, I don't know.

I just tell it everyone is visiting the submarine.

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During the Cold War, six Dutch submarines secretly gathered intelligence about the Soviet Navy.

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For the first time, in deepest secrecy describes these top-secret deployments in detail.

On the basis of interviews and archival research, Jamie Caraman reveals how Dutch submarines followed, photographed and listened to Soviet ships unnoticed from the freezing Arctic Ocean to the shallow waters near Egypt.

We welcome Jamie Karaman to Cold War Conversations.

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