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The Devil You Know with Sarah Marshall

Episode 2: Marylyn Remembers

The Devil You Know with Sarah Marshall

CBC

True Crime

4.6751 Ratings

🗓️ 27 October 2025

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

Michelle Remembers is the 1980 “biographical” book that brought the idea of Satanic cults into the mainstream. In it, Michelle Smith documents years of alleged Satanic ritual abuse and the man who helped her remember it, psychiatrist Lawrence Pazder. We talk to those who thought they knew Michelle and Larry best: their families. They tell us what it was like to witness the birth of the Satanic Panic from the most intimate vantage point — and how it shattered their lives.

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0:00.0

Listen, friend, if you don't have time to watch the Grammy Awards this year, do not worry because commotion can catch you up on everything that you need to know.

0:08.0

I'm Elamene Abdu Mahmoud, and this week on the show, we are bringing together the group chat to talk about the big winners, the surprises that no one saw coming, and the snubs that people are upset about.

0:18.4

Find and follow Commotion with Elamine Abdul Mahmood on YouTube, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

0:28.2

This is a CBC podcast.

0:31.4

Just a heads up that this episode contains discussions about child abuse and animal abuse, including some explicit mentions.

0:39.7

Please take care while listening.

0:42.6

We always got along. We never fought, and we never fought during our marriage, really.

0:48.4

I don't remember fighting with him until this situation came along.

0:54.0

This is Marilyn Harris.

0:56.8

She's talking here about her late ex-husband, Larry.

1:00.9

The couple were married for about 18 years.

1:03.5

They had three sons and a daughter,

1:05.9

and by all accounts, they had a pretty typical life

1:08.9

in their small city of Victoria, British Columbia.

1:12.2

Until one day, a minor coincidence changed their lives.

1:17.5

I was watching TV, and he came into the house, and Sybil was on.

1:24.1

It was a story about this woman, she was supposed to be, like as a child, she was tortured by

1:31.4

her mother. And then she gets a recovered memory when she saw the psychiatrist.

1:38.8

Sybil is a more than three hour long made-for-TV movie starring Sally Field and Joanne Woodward.

1:46.3

It first aired in 1976 and was adapted from the 1973 book by Flora Rita Schreiber.

1:53.4

It told the story of a young woman who entered therapy to discover that her mind had been split

1:59.3

into 16 distinct personalities by horrific childhood abuse.

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