A Palestinian Love Story with Devin Atallah and Sarah Ihmoud
How to Survive the End of the World
How to Survive the End of the World
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🗓️ 14 June 2025
⏱️ 88 minutes
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Summary
adrienne is joined at her home by Devin Atallah and Sarah Ihmoud to hear their love story. They discuss what love has to do with solidarity, falling in love, Palestinians in love, searching for love, eternal love, self love, decolonial love, love during a genocide, Palestine as a land of love, love as a way of breaking the cycle, love and light, idealized love, dreams as love, being activated by love, love as rerouting and love for humanity.
Devin Atallah is an assistant professor of psychology at the University of Massachusetts Boston (UMB). He is a diaspora Palestinian from the USA and Chile. Dr. Atallah developed a Palestinian decolonial healing guide with colleagues, CURCUMs Trees: A Decolonial Healing Guide for Palestinian Community Health Workers, which is available in English and Arabic with Mayfly Books.
Sarah Ihmoud is a Chicana-Palestinian anthropologist who works to uplift the lived experiences, histories, and political contributions of Palestinian women and Palestinian feminism. She is a founding member of the Palestinian Feminist Collective, an executive board member of Insaniyyat, the Society of Palestinian Anthropologists, and is assistant professor of anthropology at the College of the Holy Cross in Worcester, MA.
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| 0:00.0 | I was like, who else in Palestine has written about love, like in a rigorous way? |
| 0:04.4 | The only person was Devin. |
| 0:06.3 | Okay? |
| 0:07.0 | So I called up Devin. |
| 0:08.5 | I'm like, I'm reading like your dissertation again. |
| 0:10.9 | Like I'm nerding out on all of your stuff on love. |
| 0:14.0 | Can we have a conversation? |
| 0:41.6 | Okay. Hello, beloved listeners. This is Adrienne, Marie Brown, a luscious black queer witch writer, Auntie, an apocalyptic cosmic optimist and a gardener of healing ideas. I live in the land of the Shikori, Skorouwere, Tescarora, Ino, and Lumbi peoples, |
| 0:49.8 | currently known as Durham, North Carolina. And this is How to Survive the End of the World, |
| 0:56.7 | our podcast about learning from Apocalypse with grace, rigor, and curiosity. And you may notice |
| 1:04.2 | that my sister Autumn is not with us today. And there's a really good reason for that, |
| 1:08.9 | which is that I am actually doing an in-person interview |
| 1:12.4 | with two beloveds today here in Durham, North Carolina. |
| 1:16.5 | And Autumn, we all thought it was like not going to be as good if she was trying to zoom in. |
| 1:21.6 | We're having a magic vibe. |
| 1:22.6 | It's already magical. |
| 1:24.3 | And already the sound person just showed up. |
| 1:31.7 | And his name is one of my deep beloved is that I've spent the whole week in grieving. |
| 1:35.0 | And the name of his partner is my name. |
| 1:40.8 | And like the people who've shown up are like vibing and a massive amount of love already into this space. |
| 1:45.5 | So Autumn's not here, but for good reason, she's having a very good day, |
| 1:52.1 | I think with her sweetheart, actually. So I am supposed to remind you because Autumn would be mad if I didn't, that we are a no ads fully listener supported podcast. So you can join our |
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