meta_pixel
Tapesearch Logo
Log in
The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast

A More Powerful Antidepressant

The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast

Pocket Psychiatry: A Carlat Podcast

Health & Fitness, Alternative Health, Medicine, Mental Health

4.7524 Ratings

🗓️ 24 November 2025

⏱️ 10 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

SAINT TMS is now available. We take a closer look at its record-breaking effect size.

CME: Take the CME Post-Test for this Episode

Published On: 11/24/2025

Duration: 09 minutes, 53 seconds

Chris Aiken, MD and Kellie Newsome, PMHNP have disclosed no relevant financial or other interests in any commercial companies pertaining to this educational activity.

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0

When five antidepressants have failed to work, how hopeful are you for number six?

0:05.9

If the next one is Saint TMS, there's a good chance, an 80% chance, it will bring full recovery

0:12.0

within a week. Stay tuned for a practical guide.

0:18.9

Welcome to the Carlisat Psychiatry podcast, keeping psychiatry honest since 2003.

0:24.4

I'm Chris Aiken, the editor-in-chief of the Carlatte Psychiatry Report.

0:28.2

And I'm Kelly Newsom, a psychiatric MP and a dedicated reader of every issue.

0:35.6

In March of 2017, a group of researchers at Stanford University launched a new clinical trial.

0:43.1

The trial did not go as expected, but it has changed the way we approach treatment-resistant depression.

0:50.0

Today, we're going to look at this study and what it means for your patients who haven't recovered after three to seven antidepressant failures, the typical range in this study.

1:00.2

The treatment they were testing was a new form of transcranial magnetic stimulation, or TMS.

1:07.5

At first, they called it spaced TMS, but as the lead author, Nolan Williams, saw how powerful

1:13.7

it was, he changed the name to the more angelic, St. TMS, an acronym for Stanford accelerated,

1:21.0

intelligent neuromodulation therapy. Then he had to change it again. After a journal reviewer complained that we shouldn't mix

1:29.0

religious language with medical treatment so saint became s nt Stanford neuromodulation therapy

1:36.3

midway through the trial williams and his team were forced to make a different kind of pivot

1:41.7

it was three years into the study, and they had treated 30 patients.

1:47.5

But before enrolling anymore, the team peaked at the data to see how things were progressing.

1:52.8

This is standard research protocol.

1:55.3

If you're testing a new treatment, you need to know if it's causing problems before you put

2:00.3

more subjects through the test.

2:02.4

What they found was not a problem. S&T was well tolerated. Instead, they became alarmed at how

2:10.4

powerful it was. It had already achieved a clear statistical difference from placebo at the midway point, with an effect

...

Please login to see the full transcript.

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Pocket Psychiatry: A Carlat Podcast, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of Pocket Psychiatry: A Carlat Podcast and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.

Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.