A More Powerful Antidepressant
The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast
Pocket Psychiatry: A Carlat Podcast
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🗓️ 24 November 2025
⏱️ 10 minutes
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Summary
SAINT TMS is now available. We take a closer look at its record-breaking effect size.
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Published On: 11/24/2025
Duration: 09 minutes, 53 seconds
Chris Aiken, MD and Kellie Newsome, PMHNP have disclosed no relevant financial or other interests in any commercial companies pertaining to this educational activity.
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| 0:00.0 | When five antidepressants have failed to work, how hopeful are you for number six? |
| 0:05.9 | If the next one is Saint TMS, there's a good chance, an 80% chance, it will bring full recovery |
| 0:12.0 | within a week. Stay tuned for a practical guide. |
| 0:18.9 | Welcome to the Carlisat Psychiatry podcast, keeping psychiatry honest since 2003. |
| 0:24.4 | I'm Chris Aiken, the editor-in-chief of the Carlatte Psychiatry Report. |
| 0:28.2 | And I'm Kelly Newsom, a psychiatric MP and a dedicated reader of every issue. |
| 0:35.6 | In March of 2017, a group of researchers at Stanford University launched a new clinical trial. |
| 0:43.1 | The trial did not go as expected, but it has changed the way we approach treatment-resistant depression. |
| 0:50.0 | Today, we're going to look at this study and what it means for your patients who haven't recovered after three to seven antidepressant failures, the typical range in this study. |
| 1:00.2 | The treatment they were testing was a new form of transcranial magnetic stimulation, or TMS. |
| 1:07.5 | At first, they called it spaced TMS, but as the lead author, Nolan Williams, saw how powerful |
| 1:13.7 | it was, he changed the name to the more angelic, St. TMS, an acronym for Stanford accelerated, |
| 1:21.0 | intelligent neuromodulation therapy. Then he had to change it again. After a journal reviewer complained that we shouldn't mix |
| 1:29.0 | religious language with medical treatment so saint became s nt Stanford neuromodulation therapy |
| 1:36.3 | midway through the trial williams and his team were forced to make a different kind of pivot |
| 1:41.7 | it was three years into the study, and they had treated 30 patients. |
| 1:47.5 | But before enrolling anymore, the team peaked at the data to see how things were progressing. |
| 1:52.8 | This is standard research protocol. |
| 1:55.3 | If you're testing a new treatment, you need to know if it's causing problems before you put |
| 2:00.3 | more subjects through the test. |
| 2:02.4 | What they found was not a problem. S&T was well tolerated. Instead, they became alarmed at how |
| 2:10.4 | powerful it was. It had already achieved a clear statistical difference from placebo at the midway point, with an effect |
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