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I'm part of the Vox Media Podcast Network here today. I have two guests, Charlie Warselt from BuzzFeed, Oliver Darcy from CNN. Why do I have two of you guys here today, guys? It's a good question. You both cover the pro-Trump media. Pro-Trump? I was trying to find a slick way of describing what you guys do. Pro-Trump media, you cover the pro-Trump media. I was trying to find a slick way of describing what you guys do. Pro-Trump media, you cover the pro-Trump media, right? Yeah. That's the best way of putting it. Sometimes they just say the fever swamp and let people associate how they want with that. We'll formally introduce you so people can track which voice is which. So Charlie, say hello. Hey, I'm Charlie. From BuzzFeed.

And this is all over from CNN. Okay, you guys sounds slightly different, right? So people can track it. And I'll occasionally prompt you by name too. You guys both covered the pro-Trump media. You both sort of specialize, I think, specifically in the internet version of it, right? Right. Not exclusively. Yeah. I mean, I think personally, I sort of came from being a tech reporter and covering a lot of like the big platforms and the cultural changes of the internet and, you know, the

pro-Trump movement kind of grew out of a lot of those platforms and is sort of, you know,

weaponized by them. So that's kind of how I got into it. So the internet version to me is sort of more of my fluency. And I think it's sort of, I think it's more interesting than, you know, the legacy. You guys are covering people like Infowars, Alex Jones, gateway pundit. And it's important to. Oliver, you came out of that world, right? You were at the Blaze. I worked at the Blaze for, yes, a few years. That's digital and to the right. Well, let's be clear, the Blaze is no InfoWars or Bright Arts. It's more of a conventional, and it was more of a conventional right-leaning website. But real quick, I want to make a point.

You said that we cover the Internet.

And I think I cover, you know, particularly the whole thing as a whole, and Hannity is important in Mark Levin and Rush Limbaugh. But what's important about the Internet is that that seems to be where a lot of these guys get their talking points and where the narratives emerge first. So if you pay attention to what's going on, for instance, on the Donald subreddit, you can maybe see that later two, three days on Sean Hannity's Fox News, Prime Time show. That's a section of Reddit devoted to people who like Donald Trump.

Yes, it's a very, very active Reddit as well. Great. So you guys have guided me to a place I wanted to get to,

which is, which is

sketching out the difference between the internet version of pro-Trump media and traditional

conservative media. Conservative radio has been around for a very, very long time. Fox News has

been around for a couple decades. And I think until really the last couple years of people

were describing

conservative media, the internet wouldn't have crossed their mind, at least for most people.

And I think really until last year, people were sort of unaware that there was this big thriving

conservative movement online and then specifically a pro-Trump movement online.

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