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Before we start this interview and it's a fun one,

I just want to tell you you can see a version of this live in person.

If you live in New York or want to come to New York on October 24th at Joe's Pub,

I'm going to talk with, drum roll please, Samantha B, who you know. Kevin Riley, who you may not know, but he programs entertainment, including Samantha V at Turner Networks. We're going to talk with both of them and maybe another great guest. It's all live.

Easy to get to. It did a very cool venue, Joe's Pub. You can learn more about it by going to recode.net. We're announcing this live on the internet, probably as we speak. There are not many tickets, so if you want to go join us, please do. Hurry up. See you soon. This is Recode Media with Peter Kafka. That's me. I am part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm here at Vox Media Podcast Studio sitting all by myself because this doesn't happen very often. I think only once before our guest is not in studio with me. He's in Portland. He's Chuck Closterman. Hey, Chuck. How are you? Good. How are you doing? I am. Well, you are the author of many things. I'm looking at one of them right now. Is it Chuck Closterman X or Chuck Closterman 10? Can I go either way? Well, you know, it is Chuck Closterman 10, but this is kind of proof of why I make a lot of bad decisions. First of all, I overlooked the popularity, or I should say the lack of popularity of Roman numerals in modern society.

I mean, there's no reason somebody would see an X and immediately assume that it was a 10, unless they're really consciously keeping tracks of how many books I've written before, but that's kind of an arrogant thing to assume. Or they spend a lot of time looking at Super Bowl logos.

Exactly.

The other thing that really kind of proves I'm a moron is that this has happened before.

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