This is the Cato Daily Podcast for Friday, December 18th, 2015.

I'm Caleb Brown.

People misunderstand how the framers of our Constitution actually view the separation of powers.

That misunderstanding has contributed to concentrating power in federal agencies.

Jonathan Turley, a professor of public interest law at George Washington University Law School,

spoke at a Cato Institute's

City seminar in New York this November. A programming note, Turley's comments

represent only his own views and not those of the House of

Representatives, which he represents,

in a case involving the Affordable Care Act.

Presidents have been usurping power, particularly from the legislative branch,

for decades.

And we've had this rise of the Uber presidency that is throwing off that

balance. We've also had the creation of what can be called a fourth branch, the rise of federal

agencies that have become independent even of the presidency.

You have in the United States the rise of something that's coming close to an English

ministry system, something we long reject. These ideas of these agencies

that are sort of self-perpetuating. And the impact of that is just extraordinary.

I mean, today you are 10 times more likely

to be adjudicated in an administrative proceeding

than you are in a real court of law.

There is roughly 100, thousand adjudications in the federal

...