I am Sarah Jane Case and this is Anya Graham and Coffee.

Jackie, welcome to the show. I'm so excited you're here.

No, thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to be with you.

So I know my audience is going to be so excited to talk all things marriage and the Anya Graham.

I feel like my deems are just like this overflow of, please tell me about my marriage.

And so I know we're right and ready. But before we get into that, can you tell us a little bit

about your Anya Graham journey, how you found it, how you discovered your type, all the good stuff.

Sure. My Anya Graham journey happened about 13 years ago and I was going for a walk with my

girlfriend and I have four kids and at this time the twins, I don't even know if they were two

years old, but they were really little tiny skinny babies that could get out of anything.

And there was two of them. So she had like this perfect little girl and she's still as

perfect. She's precious. But she was eating her goldfish and probably reading a book in mind.

We're like punching each other in the face and like trying to slide out of their stroller and

it was awful. So at the end of that day at the park, my girlfriend, I don't know if it was

taxed because it was 13 years ago. I don't even know if you texted that long ago. However,

she did pigeon carrier. I don't know how much she messaged me and said, hey, I'm sending you a book,

you'll get it in a couple days. And I was like, oh, awesome. I love to get lost in somebody else's

story. This is going to be great. And then I got that book in the mail and I thought, what in the

world is this? This weird symbol on the front? And you know, I'm like, and then I started to flip

through it and I was like, oh, that was a really bad day at the park. I think she probably

realizes I'm probably not okay. And I need some help. And so that was like the beginning. I love

my friend, but that was the beginning of the journey of the any gram me starting to read through it.

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