I had the great good fortune of being interviewed by the brilliant Tom Hartman.

We talked about what it is that is going on with Donald and how we got here.

I hope you enjoy it. Tom is just a phenomenal, not just interviewer, but scholar who has an

incredibly deep understanding of this country and its history.

Check it out.

Mary, welcome back to the program.

Thanks, Tom.

It is so great to be here with you.

It's been far too long.

It has been.

It's so nice to see you again.

I'm curious, both as a clinical psychologist, as somebody really understands this stuff,

and as a very astute political observer, your thoughts on who Pam Bondi is and why she would behave the way she did yesterday. Yeah, that was quite a performance, and let's be clear, it was a performance.

That was something she planned well in advance.

She had no intention of answering any questions, legitimate or otherwise, put to her.

Her sole purpose yesterday was to protect her boss and do more damage to the

one-storied Department of Justice.

We are seeing this pattern over and over again.

The line of people willing to sell what little is left of their souls to protect Donald Trump is astonishingly long.

And Pandy, Pambandi is just the most recent example of people who are more interested in hanging on to their own power and their proximity to power than they are to doing their

actual jobs. So why? And this is something that I've been struggling to answer for a long time.

And it's actually a question we're going to have to try to answer as it as it has to do with the entire country.

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