Content warning, this episode contains discussion of murder, including the murder of children, as well as sexual violence.

Julia Callies have this sort of career many of us might dream about.

Growing up fascinated with true crime, she eventually joined the Federal Bureau of Investigation,

where she was selected to join the behavioral analysis unit.

While a part of that team, she became the lead FBI profiler

on the Golden State Killer case.

Now retired from the Bureau, she hosts the Consult, a terrific true crime

podcast where she and other retired FBI profilers share their insights on a

variety of cases. We highly recommend the Cons and will link to it in our show notes.

We were excited recently to get a chance to talk with Julia and we asked her about her work

in the Golden State Killer case, the part that criminal

profiling plays in investigating cases, and the role the FBI's behavioral

analysis unit is said to have played in the Delphi case.

My name is Anya Kane. I'm a journalist.

And I'm Kevin Greenley. I'm an attorney.

And this is the Murder Sheet.

We're a true crime podcast focused on original reporting, interviews, and deep dives into murder cases.

We're the murder sheet.

And this is a conversation with former FBI profile with Julia Cowley about Delphi, criminal profiling, and the Golden State

Killer. So, Oh, So, I guess to start out Julia, thank you so much for joining us today.

We'd love to sort of start out by talking about your background with the FBI.

We saw one of your tweets. You mentioned that you joined, you know, partly because of this

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