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We are having difficult conversations in this space.

And please, you know, sit with this so much so that the complexity of Black womanhood

with Kevin Powell, part two, two up next I hope you enjoy

Kevin Powell Audrey Lord how also I feel like you know when you're ready your your teacher shows up

right because a lot of people I wish I had Dr. Carr when I was in no you may not have been

ready for Dr. Carr and Dr. Carr wasn't Dr. Carr until this day that we're in right now.

For you, Audrey Lord and Bell Hooks, like how, talk about how that happened.

Well, you know, shout out to Asha Bendelli, the writer.

In 1992, 93, Ms. Lord, I believe died in 93.

Asha asked me if I wanted to interview Order Lord.

I said yes, because I was beginning to hear her name from, from, you know, sisters around me,

black women around me.

And Asher arranged it.

It was a phone call.

Remember Emerge Magazine?

It was for Emerge Magazine.

Yes, of course.

Wilbur, Wilbur gave me $15,000 to do a basketball league. He was so dope. He was so dope. Emerge magazine gave me the opportunity. And I interviewed Ms. Lord over the phone. She was coughing a lot because she was literally dying of cancer. Orgelov was literally dying of cancer. And it turned out to be the very last interview she ever did. And, you know, this is why it is important to go back because the memory I said I'm putting together right now my collected writings and speeches, etc. The Kevin Powell reader will include the original interview that I did with Alder Law for the first time to be published anywhere. You know what I mean when the book comes out. And she kept telling me, there's a couple things that stuck out to me. She talked about the treatment she experienced as a black woman, you know what I mean when the book comes out and she kept telling me there's a couple things that stuck out to me she talked about the treatment she experienced as a black woman you know in the movement she talked about the experiences she spent through as a lesbian black woman she talked about how people disregarded and disrespect that james ball when they called him all kinds of names because he was openly gay and you know but she also said to me you know just the thing just do the work no matter what you have to do the work, you have to do the work. And, you know, but she also said to me, you know, just the thing, just do the work,

no matter what you have to do the work, you have to do the work. And I remember how much love

she had, just love that she had for people in spite of all the stuff that she went through.

That stuck with me. And then, you know, Bell Hooks, I mean, I'm trying to have to get emotional

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