A climate activist and a gas executive walk into a bar
Outside/In
NHPR
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🗓️ 1 April 2026
⏱️ 33 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | In 2007, Zainab Mugavi and her husband bought a fix-rupper in Cambridge, Massachusetts. |
| 0:05.0 | It was clearly a home that was loved, but it had a very ancient furnace that even had a little door to put your garbage in and burn it. |
| 0:14.0 | Our producer, Felix Poon, talked to her about it. |
| 0:16.0 | Did you use it? |
| 0:17.0 | No. No. No. Zainab had two kids, and she knew there was a link between natural gas and kids getting asthma. |
| 0:26.6 | I didn't want to burn anything inside the house. |
| 0:29.6 | So no combustion. |
| 0:31.6 | It creates particulate matters, and it's bad for your health. |
| 0:35.6 | So she looked into her best options to replace the old gas furnace. |
| 0:40.2 | And she wanted it to be really climate friendly. |
| 0:43.2 | What she landed on was geothermal. |
| 0:47.0 | It seemed really obvious. |
| 0:49.4 | Geothermal heating and cooling was basically blowing everything else out of the water. |
| 0:54.8 | When you hear geothermal, you might be thinking about places like Iceland. |
| 0:59.7 | They have the kind of industrial plants that tap into super hot water and steam underground that's |
| 1:04.7 | been heated up by hot rocks and magma. Those plants need to be in volcanic regions. |
| 1:11.1 | And they also need to have these massive boreholes that go a mile or two below the surface. |
| 1:16.7 | But there's another kind of geothermal that doesn't need volcanoes or very, very deep boreholes. |
| 1:23.7 | This type of geothermal relies on the fact that just about 10 to 20 feet underground, the temperature stays at a constant 50 to 60 degrees. |
| 1:33.2 | That is year-round and in most places around the world. |
| 1:37.4 | You tap into that, and you've got geothermal power heating and cooling for your home. |
| 1:42.8 | For Zainab, it was a no-brainer. |
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