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The Raw Milk Question

Outside/In

NHPR

Society & Culture, Documentary, Natural Sciences, Nature, Science

4.71.5K Ratings

🗓️ 25 March 2026

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

In 2009, the state of Maine ordered farmer Dan Brown to stop selling his raw milk. It kicked off a five-year legal battle that stoked the flames of Maine’s dairy wars. But, after Farmer Brown lost his case and hung up his milking hat, things quieted down.  Twenty years later, raw milk has surged back into the zeitgeist. Influencers are saying it tastes like ice cream, RFK Jr. is taking shots of it at the White House, and Gwyneth Paltrow is putting it in her coffee. All of which makes for a pretty obvious question… What’s the appeal? Is raw milk some kind of superfood? Or something to avoid at all costs?  Featuring Dan Brown, Andy Bisson, Danny Bisson, Nicole Martin, Pamela Ruegg, and Mary McGonigle-Martin. SUPPORT To share your questions and feedback with Outside/In, call the show’s hotline and leave us a voicemail. The number is 1-844-GO-OTTER. No question is too serious or too silly. Outside/In is made possible with listener support. Click here to become a sustaining member of Outside/In.  Follow Outside/In on Instagram and BlueSky, or join our private discussion group on Facebook. LINKS For a comprehensive history of dairy check out Milk! A 10,000 Year History by Mark Kurlansky. During the height of Dan Brown’s case he gave a speech to a rousing crowd in Blue Hill. You can watch that here.  The debate over raw vs. pasteurized milk has been happening for a long time. The Milk Question by Milton Joseph Rosenau is a fascinating (we daresay, poetic) read.  The Pasteurized Milk Ordinance is a nearly 500-page document that outlines the intricacies of milk regulation in the U.S. Here’s its most current version.  The FDA fact-checks many different raw milk claims ⁠on this page⁠, including pasteurization's affect on vitamin content and potential probiotic benefit. CREDITS  Produced by Marina Henke. For full credits and transcript, visit outsideinradio.org Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

It was a summer day in 2009 when an unexpected visitor pulled into Dan Brown's farm.

0:08.1

It was a small operation, a few cows, a couple hundred chickens.

0:12.2

I was outside milking the cow when he pulled up.

0:14.8

It's vivid. It's right there. It's like 9-11 type thing.

0:18.4

It'll be burned into my mind for the rest of my life.

0:24.9

A guy named John stepped out of the truck.

0:27.8

He had one of those government lanyards around his neck and a big clipboard.

0:31.7

He was a state health inspector.

0:34.0

And he told Dan, listen, you have got to stop selling your milk.

0:39.6

I was not nice to him.

0:42.1

I'll be the first one a minute.

0:43.1

I was very nasty, very antagonistic.

0:45.2

I didn't want to hear what he had to say.

0:47.1

At the time, Dan sold his milk raw, which means no pasteurization.

0:52.7

Now, technically, this was legal where he lived in Blue Hill, Maine.

0:57.2

But Dan's setup was a pretty homegrown operation.

1:01.0

He packaged it in recycled plastic juice bottles,

1:04.1

and then he sold it straight to customers who'd pull into his driveway with cash.

1:08.1

So the health inspector told him,

1:10.0

until he outfitted his barns with

1:11.9

stainless steel tanks and properly labeled his bottles, Dan's raw milk was violating Maine's

1:18.3

health code. This is not how Dan saw it. I naively said, I don't recognize your authority,

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