I'm not pulling on my driveway. We all know what that means. It's time for other drive to work at home edition.

So I have Ari Nia with me today to talk all about the making of the brothers war. Hey Ari.

Hi, Mike. How are you?

Okay, so you led the vision design, but we're going to, our story starts way even before the vision design.

It does. It starts like with a flashback to the past, like just going along with the

brother's work theme. Yeah, a good theme. So we're going to, we'll dig up our artifacts to see what we can

find out about the past. Okay, so, I think our story begins, actually not with either of us.

The story begins with Ethan Fleischer.

And Ethan Fleischer was asked by one of the people who, one of our producers, about what are cool ideas for supplemental sets?

He pitches the idea of Brothers War.

Aaron gets the idea, and Aaron comes to me and asks,

what do I think of the idea?

I said, I thought it was a great idea.

And then he's like, do you think it could be a standard set,

you know, a premiere set?

I'm like, yeah, definitely, for sure it could be.

And he's like, he thought to, but he needed proof of concept so he could go to,

you know, his bosses and stuff and say, I think we should do this, not just as a set, but as a

premier set. So he then gives me the task of making a demo. So I turn to you and I say, Ari, we need to

make a demo. So what is your memory of starting from me coming to you?

Right.

So this was in the fall of 2018 when I just got started at Wizards and you were like,

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