I'm not pulling on the driveway. We all know what that means. It's time for other drive to work at home edition. So I'm using my time at home to interview people about past sets that we've worked on together. So today I have Ethan Fleischer and we're going to talk about Oath of the Gatewatch. Hey, Ethan.

Hi. How you doing, Mark? Okay, so Oath of the Gate,

was this your second design?

Yeah, it was my second design.

It was actually my third design lead.

I led Journey into Nix and then Commander 2014.

Okay.

And then Oath of the Game Watch.

Okay, so I led the set before it,

which was Battle for Zendikar. So this was...

This was a small set that went with the big set. The Battle for Zendikar was the big set. This was

the companion small set. Um... We were doing two set blocks at that time. Yes. This was during

the time where all these blocked were large, small.

Okay, so let's start from the beginning.

So, like, you're assigned oath of the gate watch.

So what... In fact, this set changed a bit.

So let's talk a little bit about what you were originally assigned to do.

Right.

So, at first, it was very much focused on, like, what are these Eldrazi up to?

Because there were three Eldrazi brood lineages, and Battle for Zendikar focused on Pulamag's brood lineage, which were hungry all the time.

So you had those processors that were eating things.

And Cozileck were weird all the time,

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