We like to throw rocks at the people who don't see the world in the way we do.

I don't know why.

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Hey, we're with John DeLinus, part two, founder of warmestories,

PhD, CEO and co-originator of Open Stories Foundation.

And if you didn't see part one, you should take the time to watch it

because you'll see a side of John that is really fascinating

and it lends to a tremendous foundation of personal integrity in my estimation.

And that's important when you balance what he has continued to do

just to see how that plays into who he is.

So right now we want to spend some time going forward from the time that you graduated BYU,

married, did your time with the church for their general authority

and then what started to happen from there.

So I got my dream job, I thought, in 1997-ish,

I went to work for Microsoft in Seattle.

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