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Okay, welcome our very special guest, brother, mystero, Dr. John Dillin.

I can't tell you how grateful I am that John has taken a time out of his busy schedule.

He's very busy man.

Didn't have to do this, but he elected to.

We go back a long way.

John interviewed me on his warmest stories back.

We've been talking.

I think 2009, number is 221 and 222.

And so we have some history between ourselves.

Before we hear John, I just want to explain how we're going to do our time together

so you'll know about tonight and the next week and the following here on Heart of the Matter.

First part one, I've asked John to this tell us his history.

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