We like to throw rocks at the people who don't see the world in the way we do.

I don't know why.

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Alright, part three, I've been excited about all of it but really have enjoyed this.

There's been like a 10 year or more span between John and I sitting down and talking.

So I've, of course, been in the news and things and I've watched things that have come up

and seen how he's grown and changed.

And so it was really good to hear his backstory and I was just telling him how much I think of his integrity.

That he has that warp and weft.

Integrity, by the way, did you know is a clothing and textiles term

and you would throw out the fabric and little Indians would go and look and they'd say it has integrity

if the warp and weft were together.

And then with their slub yards and stuff they would say, no, no, no, you gotta get rid of this.

It's no good.

And I see this man as having integrity.

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