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And we're going to new book and my life has been all about last minute trips to the

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When I first got in touch with Fred's daughter, Kirsten, she told me she and her sisters

had tons of materials related to Fred's case.

Court filings, notes, pictures, police reports, tapes of the actual investigation into Fred.

All this stuff was sitting in boxes in a hay loft at Heidi's place in Colorado, which

is actually her grandparents' ranch, where her mother, Jean, grew up.

So over the summer, when all three sisters, Heidi, Kirsten, and Kim were going to be together

at the ranch.

I went out there to meet them and have a look at the trove of documents.

We climbed into the hay loft and opened a box.

It was full of letters the sisters had written to Fred.

Heidi pulled one out.

It was in her handwriting.

OK, so this is dated April 18, 1981.

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