Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, host of Against the Rules at Pushkin.

And we're going to new book and my life has been all about last minute trips to the

Bahamas, court dates, financial regulations.

But right now I'm doing interviews on background.

These won't make it into the book, but they give context to my characters.

On Against the Rules, I'm inviting you to listen in.

Once a month on the record, you might meet a cryptosmith, a white collar crime scholar,

or a regulator of trade on the blockchain.

Listen to Against the Rules wherever you get your podcasts.

As a girl growing up on a Colorado ranch, Jean, Fred's first wife, was gutsy, her sister

Carol said.

She was fearless, bold.

She rode horses and swam in rivers and fished in the pond.

Then she moved away to Malibu.

And when she died at 34, her ashes were scattered on the sea.

But near the ranch, several miles away, there's a tombstone with Jean's name on it.

When I went to Colorado to meet Fred's daughters, I asked if I could see it.

Jean was Kirsten and Heidi's mom.

So one rainy afternoon, the two of them took me there.

It was a spooky place, part junkyard, part bone yard, and the ominous thunderheads in veil

of rain didn't help.

So what kind of place is this?

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