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This is Primal Potential and I am your host, Elizabeth Benton.

Primal Potential is about you. Your ability to change is not defined by yesterday

and doesn't need to wait until tomorrow. Your transformation is now. Let's get started.

Hello everybody and welcome back to the Primal Potential podcast. I am Elizabeth Benton.

I've been looking forward to today's episode since I first talked with my guest, which was probably

3 or 4 weeks ago now. It might seem like an odd conversation to have on this show.

But today I really want to talk about showing up for ourselves and showing up for other people.

Let me just give you a little bit of backstory. Somebody reached out to me that helps with some of my

podcast, bookings and on other shows and whatnot and said, would you ever be comfortable talking

about grief on a podcast? This was maybe a month or two after Dagnia had died and I was like,

yes, without a doubt, yes, because I don't think people will talk about it enough.

So I was connected with my guest today and I just felt instant chemistry with her and just this

kindred spirit level connection. Lisa is joining us today. Lisa is a podcaster. She is a grief expert.

She is an empathy expert. She's also a clinical social worker. She's a therapist. She has been

through this and I was on her show. We recorded a couple of weeks ago and afterwards I said,

I'd really like to have you on mind because so much of the work that she does is related to

showing up. And I see this as a pain point for so many people who feel like either their relationships

are not what they want them to be or their friendships don't have the strength and integrity

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