#80 — The Unraveling

Making Sense with Sam Harris

Waking Up with Sam Harris

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4.6 • 29.1K Ratings

🗓️ 4 June 2017

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Summary

Sam Harris speaks with David Frum about political partisanship, recent security leaks, Trump's foreign policy, the Russia investigation, Kathy Griffin's joke, and other topics.

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0:00.0	Welcome to the Making Sense Podcast. This is Sam Harris. Just a note to say that if you're
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0:46.7	Today I bring you a conversation with a person who agrees with me and I with him on this point.
0:52.9	David Phrum is going to walk us through current events once again. There is just no way to keep up
1:00.7	with the cascade of scandals. We had this conversation a day before Trump announced that he would
1:08.1	be pulling us out of the Paris Climate Accord. I think I will reserve comment about that.
1:14.9	For a future podcast, I'm sure I'll have a climate change expert on at some point to talk about
1:19.4	this. Let's just say it's another way in which Trump seems to be forcing our country into a kind of
1:26.9	exile among developed nations. It's as though his only goal is to diminish our stature in the world.
1:36.4	But David and I spoke before all that. David, as you recall, he's a senior editor at the Atlantic
1:42.0	magazine. He's a former speech writer for George Bush, and he's someone who's been unusually
1:47.9	clear-eyed about the problem of Trump in office. So I bring you David Phrum.
2:00.4	I am here once again with David Phrum. David, thanks for coming back on the podcast.
2:05.0	Thanks for having me. What a pleasure. As I was saying to you offline, you are a true road warrior.
2:09.7	You were doing this interview from an airport. You have found a reasonably quiet corner of a lounge.
2:15.3	So I apologize in advance for any imperfections in the sound. We're going to be treating our listeners
2:22.0	too. So thanks for doing this. We are jumping into another conversation about politics,
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