Hello everyone and welcome to this week's Squiggly Career podcast. It's Helen, one of the co-founders

of Amazing If and the host of the Squiggly Critics podcast. But today I am not joined by Sarah. Instead,

I'm joined by Graham Alcott. Hello, Graham. Hello. Graham is, oh, so many things.

Graham is the founder of a business called Think Productive, an author of three or four books now.

The fourth one is about to come out, which we might talk about later.

Yeah, so nearly at four books, and I haven't actually finished writing the first with Sarah yet,

so I'm very impressed by that.

Speaker, also do loads of stuff for charity.

So in our term of like squiggly careers, I feel that there is a

squiggly career story behind all the different things that you do. I'm definitely squiggly.

Oh, this is good. This is really good. And as you know, if you're a regular listener,

Sarah and I decided that this year we wanted to talk to some experts in their field, bring them

onto the podcast, glean all of your insights,

and also hear a little bit from people who are doing what we are absolutely driven by,

which is about making work better for everyone. And so I got introduced to Graham via

Eleanor, someone in the team. We got talking about productivity. And I know that productivity

is quite a hot topic for a lot of the people that listen to our podcast

and how they can make the most out of their time at work so that at work doesn't become

a bit overwhelmingly unproductive and we can use our time as the best effect.

I'm also a bit of a productivity keynote.

Cool.

And when I was reading the book, Graham mentioned something called Don't Fall into the Trap of Productivity Porn

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