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Hello everyone and welcome back to this Mormon Stories podcast interview on

John DeLynn and your joining me in part three or four depending on how it gets

cut up of this epic journey of Nikki and Lance Miles. We've talked about so

many interesting and important things. Last episode we talked about how Lance's

father who had been his own bishop came out as gay, how he was estranged from

the family and ostracized, how he came down with leukemia and how Lance was able

to have some loving and caring thoughts for his father shortly before his death

but how sort of tragic that was that the family hadn't been taught even by the

father ironically to be more loving unconditionally to a family member. So it

was a great great story. Thank you guys so much for sharing that. I know the

listeners were touched. So now we come to the part of the journey where you're

still active in believing members of the church your father's passed away.

Maybe you've shifted you said the rock under you shifted where you sort of

maybe got the sense the church had it wrong and LGBT issues but you still

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