In the consult, we discuss cases involving violence, sexual violence, abduction, and murder.

Sometimes the cases we discuss involve children.

Listener discretion is advised. Welcome to the consult. I'm Julia Cowley, retired FBI agent and profiler, and I'm joined by my colleagues.

Susan Costler Drew.

Bob Drew.

Angela Serser.

And Angela, Susan, and Bob are also retired FBI profilers, and we work together in the FBI's

behavioral analysis unit.

So today is part two of our analysis of the death of Ellen

Greenberg. And a brief recap on January 26, 2011, Ellen Greenberg was found stabbed

to death in her Philadelphia apartment she shared with her fiance Sam Goldberg. Sam told

police he had gone to the building's first floor gym for a workout and returned to find the apartment door locked from the inside, with the swing bar engaged.

After unsuccessfully trying to reach Ellen by text, phone, and email, he said he broke the lock and entered, only to discover Ellen dead

on the kitchen floor. The autopsy revealed she had been stabbed 20 times in the chest, abdomen,

and the back of her neck. Initially ruled a homicide, her manner of death was later changed to suicide,

a controversial

decision that remains the subject of debate in part one we covered a summary of

the case and the crime scene and in this episode we'll conclude our discussion

of the crime scene and examine the autopsy and victimology if you haven't

listened to part one I recommend you go back and do so first.

Also, I just want to remind listeners that this episode includes discussions of suicide, so please use

discretion. Okay, so I want to start by briefly revisiting the lock, because the neighbor stated that he saw the swing bar lock was engaged.

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