In the consult, we discuss cases involving violence, sexual violence, abduction, and murder.

Sometimes the cases we discuss involve children.

Listener discretion is advised. Welcome to the consult. I'm Julia Cowley, retired FBI agent and profiler, and I'm joined by my colleagues.

Angela Serser. Susan Costler Drew.

And Bob Drew.

Angela, Susan, and Bob are also retired FBI profilers, and we work together in the FBI's behavioral analysis unit.

Today we're continuing our analysis of the death of Ellen Greenberg, which occurred on

January 26, 2011 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. In addition to our usual listener discretion,

I want to note that we discuss suicide extensively in this case analysis, so please listen with care. Okay, I want to do a brief

recap of the case. So Ellen, who was an elementary school teacher, had come home early that

day due to a snowstorm that caused schools to dismiss early. Around 4.45 p.m., her fiancée, Sam Goldberg, left their apartment to work

out in the complex's gym. When he returned roughly 30 minutes later, he found the swing bar lock

on the door latched from the inside. Unable to get in, Sam ultimately broke through the door

and discovered Ellen on the kitchen floor with a knife embedded in her chest.

On-scene investigators quickly ruled the death a suicide and did not secure a search warrant for the apartment that night.

However, the following day, the medical examiner classified Ellen's death as a homicide after

identifying 20 stab wounds to her chest, abdomen, and the back of her neck.

Police returned on January 28th to conduct a search warrant, but by then, the scene had

already been professionally cleaned by a crime scene cleanup company. After the medical examiner

initially ruled Ellen's death a homicide. Investigators informed him that their investigation

was ongoing. In response, he reviewed Ellen's psychiatric records, consulted a neuropathologist

who determined that her spinal cord had not been damaged by the knife wound, and received

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