In the consult, we discuss cases involving violence, sexual violence, abduction, and murder.

Sometimes the cases we discuss involve children.

Listener discretion is advised. Welcome to the consult. I'm Julia Cowley, retired FBI agent and profiler, and I'm joined by my colleagues.

Susan Costler, Drew.

Bob Drew.

Angela, Susan, and Bob are also retired FBI profilers, and we work together in the FBI's

behavioral analysis unit.

So at the beginning of every episode, we have a discretionary

statement. And for this next case, I also want to warn that we discuss suicide. So I'm going to put

that out there for listeners as a trigger warning. And the reason for that is because we are going

to be beginning our analysis of

the death of Ellen Greenberg on January 26th of 2011 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. And this is a case

that has garnered widespread attention and controversy. Ellen was found dead by her fiance, Sam Goldberg, in the locked

apartment they shared. She had 20 stab wounds to her chest, abdomen, and the back of her neck.

Her death was initially ruled a homicide by the medical examiner who performed her autopsy,

but it was later reclassified as a suicide,

a finding that seemingly defied explanation or an easy explanation.

And we're going to explore the reasons behind this change and evaluate them in order to determine what's more likely did Ellen die by her own hands or at the hands of another person and as members of the behavioral analysis unit we analyzed many equivocal death cases those are cases where the manner of death is unclear and while we may not be able to answer all the questions in this case,

our goal is to shed light on what may have happened

and offer our insights or suggestions that could help bring us closer to the truth.

We're covering this case because it raises questions about forensic findings,

investigative processes, and how cases like this are interpreted. Similar to other cases that we have

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