Well, hello there and welcome to this episode of the Terry Cole Show. I just had a fascinating

conversation with my new pal, Jefferson Fisher, which many of you know him online, because he teaches

all about communication. His new book, it's not that new anymore, but it's been out this year.

The next conversation, argue less and talk more, is all about how to create boundaries with language, basically.

So he's a trial lawyer and has been for years. He's a writer. And he just helps people.

He's got this very accessible way of talking about and teaching you how to communicate. And it's funny, I've been following him for a

bunch of years. And then I saw his, his Instagram just blew up. It felt like one day where you were

like, oh my God. Now he was like the worst kept secret to a degree. But such an interesting

conversation. I think that you will

actually love this interview. He really gives us some great tips. And I find his life story just

fascinating. So I hope you guys love this interview with Jefferson Fisher as much as I loved

interviewing him.

This is the Terry Cole show, and as you might have guessed, I'm your host, Terry Cole.

For over two decades, I've been a licensed psychotherapist, love and boundaries expert,

and I'm also the founder of The Real Love Revolution and Boundary Boot Camp.

On this show, I'll bring you simple strategies based on practical psychology, inspiring expert interviews,

and my own insights and observations from my time on the front lines in the fascinating world of entertainment,

empowerment, and mental health. Now, let's get going with today's episode.

I'm super pumped to welcome Jefferson Fisher to the Terry Cole show. Welcome, Jefferson.

Hey, Terry. Thank you for having me. Yeah, indeed. So funny, I was telling these guys at the top about how I became familiar with your work.

And I'm listening, like a lot of people, I found you on

Instagram. And I felt like I found you, quote unquote, obviously I did not. But like I felt like

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