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71: 6. Continued Defeats, Financial Ruin, and Schleicher's Strategy. Timothy Ryback discusses how the Nazi party continued its decline, suffering losses in Thuringia and facing severe financial ruin, estimated to be 90 million Reichsmarks in debt. A desperate

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🗓️ 10 November 2025

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6. Continued Defeats, Financial Ruin, and Schleicher's Strategy. Timothy Ryback discusses how the Nazi party continued its decline, suffering losses in Thuringia and facing severe financial ruin, estimated to be 90 million Reichsmarks in debt. A desperate push for a majority in the small state of Lippe in January failed, though Hitler publicly declared it a triumph. Simultaneously, Chancellor Schleicher, the political mastermind, actively negotiated with Gregor Strasser. Schleicher aimed to break apart the NSDAP by detaching Strasser's socialist faction from Hitler's hardliners (Goebbels and Göring), thereby creating a stable, centrist coalition. Strasser was acting to save the National Socialist Movement through compromise, not to betray Hitler.
1933


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0:00.0

I'm John Batchew with Timothy Ryback. The book is Takeover Hitler's final rise to power.

0:08.5

Again, Hitler has turned back. The Nazis are turned back. Turingia, the vote that substitutes for polling,

0:17.2

shows the NSTAP losing 25% of its previous vote in the previous election in November.

0:24.4

Another humiliation.

0:26.1

There's one more chance that we go through the winter holidays, Christmas holidays.

0:31.1

Hitler pretty much with his widowed older sister in Albert Salzburg,

0:36.3

the Bechtesgaden of fame of the War. Remember, these are

0:39.9

hustling figures. These are not world-scale monsters. They have simple lives when they're not

0:47.2

conniving with each other. It's Christmas time, and Hitler doesn't have a family. A little detail

0:54.0

he gets a book from somebody

0:55.3

as a gift. There's no mention of a Christmas tree. Perhaps there is. Perhaps his sister keeps one

1:00.5

for him, but he's a man without a family. He's peculiar. No psychology here. He's peculiar.

1:05.9

There's a vote in Lippi, which is a very small state of 160,000 in the middle of January. What is their hope, Tim?

1:13.0

Why do they throw their resources into Lippe? What's happened?

1:17.1

Well, okay. Their high water mark was 37% in the July elections. They take a hit of 2 million votes in the November elections.

1:30.9

John, you mentioned the Thuringia vote where they lose 25% again.

1:36.7

So they are, not only are they losing votes, there's a break with Strasser where they're hemorrhaging membership of the party.

1:49.4

And most consequently, they are millions and millions of rights marks in debt.

1:56.3

I mean, each, they have run all these elections in the course of 30 1932 um one estimate put the nazi

2:04.2

party at 90 million rights marks in debt which would be hundreds of millions of dollars a

2:10.1

so the party was basically bankrupt politically um financially and also ideologically with the split.

2:20.3

The lip-the-vote, Hitler wanted to finally break that 51%.

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