705: Minnesota, Civil Rights, & Contagious Courage with Justin Giboney
The Holy Post
Phil Vischer
4.5 • 4.4K Ratings
🗓️ 28 January 2026
⏱️ 90 minutes
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Summary
The country is on edge after another protester was killed by ICE officers in Minneapolis. Phil, Kaitlyn, and Skye look at how different Christian journalists and media outlets are covering, or not covering, the story, and what protests against ICE share in common with the Civil Rights movement, and how they're different. Speaking of the Civil Rights era, Justin Giboney is back to discuss his new book, "Don't Let Nobody Turn You Around." He believes too much of the American church and our politics has been captivated by the culture war, and learning from the example of the Black church, which rejected the "conservative vs. progressive" binary, can help lead us out. Also this week, the cows are coming for us!
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47:17 - Interview
55:46 - The Black Church's Tradition of Witness
1:06:30 - Humanizing Your Political Opponents
1:15:00 - Persuasion in Politics
1:24:00 - End Credits
Links Mentioned in News Segment:
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Religion News Service on Clergy Protesting ICE:
The Atlantic on ICE Protests:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/2026/01/minneapolis-uprising/685755/
Christianity Today on Authority and Responsibility:
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to the Holy Post. The country is on edge after another protester was killed by ICE officials in Minneapolis. |
| 0:07.7 | Today, Phil Caitlin and I look at how different Christian journalists and media outlets are covering or not covering the story. |
| 0:14.7 | And what the protests against ICE share in common with the civil rights movement, but how they're also different. |
| 0:20.5 | Speaking of the civil rights era, Justin Gib they're also different. Speaking of the civil |
| 0:21.3 | rights era, Justin Gibney is back to discuss his new book, Don't Let Nobody Turn You Around. He believes |
| 0:27.6 | too much of the American church and our politics have been captivated by the culture war, |
| 0:32.7 | and learning from the example of the Black Church, which rejected the conservative versus |
| 0:36.5 | progressive binary, can help lead us out of it. Also this which rejected the conservative versus progressive binary, |
| 0:37.8 | can help lead us out of it. Also this week, the cows are coming for us. Before we jump into |
| 0:43.9 | the episode, I've got some good news. The World Born in You, letters to a new generation of |
| 0:48.8 | American Christians, is my latest book, and it's written as a series of letters to my young |
| 0:53.2 | adult kids about the things that have shaped my faith, and advice about written as a series of letters to my young adult kids about the things |
| 0:54.5 | that have shaped my faith and advice about what it means to follow Christ in today's diverse, |
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