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Bad People

70. Pharma Bro 2: Why do we hate?

Bad People

BBC

Society & Culture, True Crime, Unknown

4.41.1K Ratings

🗓️ 18 August 2022

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

In September 2015, Martin Shkreli quickly became ‘the most hated man in America’ after he raised the price of the life-saving drug, Daraprim, by more than 4,000% - almost overnight. Instead of apologising or hiding away, Shkreli decided to lean into his villain image, with even more media appearances and antagonising acts. In an interview with The Hustle magazine, Shkreli was quoted as saying: “People want a villain,” “If people derive some psychological benefit from that, then I don’t want to deprive them of it. I’ll be your villain.” Shkreli lied with regularity, harassed female journalists and even took on the Wu-Tang Clan. At his securities fraud trial almost 200 jurors were ‘excused’ during jury selection because as one juror said: “The only thing I’d be impartial about is what prison this guy goes to.” In part two, Dr Julia Shaw and Sofie Hagen discuss the latest research on ‘hate’. Why do we hate? Whom do we hate? And can one love to be hated? They also talk about jury selection and whether it is ever possible to have a completely unbiased jury. CREDITS Presenters: Dr Julia Shaw and Sofie Hagen Producer: Simona Rata Music: Matt Chandler Editor: Anna Lacey #BadPeople_BBC Commissioning Assistant Producer: Adam Eland Commissioning Executive: Dylan Haskins Bad People is produced in partnership with The Open University and is a BBC Audio Science Production for BBC Sounds.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Ever wondered what the world's wealthiest people did to get so ridiculously rich?

0:05.5

Our podcast Good Bad Billionaire takes one billionaire at a time and explains exactly how they made their money.

0:11.9

And then we decide if they are actually good, bad or just plain wealthy.

0:15.5

So if you want to know if Rihanna is as much of a bad guy as she claims,

0:19.2

or what Jeff Bezos really did to become the first person in history to pocket a hundred billion dollars,

0:24.6

listen to Good Bad Billionaire with me, Simon Jack, and me, Zingsing.

0:28.5

Listen on BBC Sounds.

0:32.4

BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, Podcasts.

0:35.9

Three, two, one.

0:37.8

Have you ever loved to hate someone?

0:41.4

Uh, Julia, I'm a Scorpio.

0:44.2

So...

0:45.3

So yeah, yeah, I have.

0:46.8

I mean, we all have, right?

0:48.8

And have you ever loved being hated by someone?

0:53.5

I don't think I've ever loved it.

0:55.9

I have founded a musing years ago, this very new comedian.

1:00.4

She posted online that she was going to sue the biggest comedy agency in the world

1:06.4

because their biggest act had, you know, quote, unquote, stolen her joke.

1:12.6

And I was immediately just like, hey, hey, listen, listen, listen, stop, stop, stop.

1:16.8

You don't want to do that.

1:18.4

You know, you're just starting out in comedy.

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