This is John Batchel, a conversation with colleague David Dajudo of the Foundation for Defense of Democracy.

It's about the Gaza ceasefire as it is and lessons learned by Hezbollah, watching from Lebanon, watching from the north.

David lays out what Hamas learned from Lebanon from Hezbollah and what Hezbollah has learned is learning from Hamas.

Much more of this tonight.

Is David Diyud, lessons learned so far?

Of course, there are many lessons here.

I think, if anything, the Gaza ceasefire and Hamas' narrative appears to me to be emulating that of Hegelva,

you know, immediate insistence on non-disarming while also putting conditions on discussing disarmament,

not even, okay, if this condition precedent happens, then we will disarm.

So we will, if this condition precedent happens, then we will discuss our arms.

Even that narrative they seem to have taken from Hezbollah.

So they've talked about, you know, and these conditions precedents seem to be, you know,

it's not impossible, then very far-fetched, very far down into the future.

So Hamas is adapting the Hezbollah playbook, which

makes sense. They are allies that they've been in contact for decades with each other.

Hamas has learned a lot in terms of its war fighting, in terms of its propaganda tactics from

Hezbollah.

They're saying, yeah, when this impossible thing happens, when the PA unites and they can get their act together, then we'll talk about disarmament.

So really is Hamas looking to Hezbollah.

But Hezbollah, of course, has lessons to learn from the Gaza ceasefire. I think what Hezbollah looking for now, and what they've been looking for since

November 27th of 2024, they've been awaiting international attention moving away from the region.

They've been trying to lay low. You know, they've been making a calculus of, well, if we

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