This is John Batchel, speaking with a colleague Alejandro Pena Exclusa, Venezuelan writer in exile from a year of brutality in Venezuela in jails.

I'm a member of the opposition comments on what the fall of Maduro, Nicholas Maduro and Caracas will do for the whole region.

The positive effect it will have on all the drug cartels,

all the leadership of the countries that are compromised by drug cartels.

It's just giving a parcelist here.

Much more to learn, much more denied.

Alejandro Pina Excluza on the fall of Madura and what comes after?

The fall of Maduro will affect transversely the whole continent, because I'm certain, and there is a lot of information, that they're all related, all members of the Sao Paulo Forum, to drugs.

And when Maduro falls, the information will come out.

As a matter of fact, this week there's a trial against Hugo El Pollo,

the Pollo means the chicken.

Hugo El Pollo Carbajal, who was the head of intelligence of Venezuelan,

and he is being trialed in New York this week.

And he confessed because he wants to reduce his, what's the word?

He wants to be in good terms with justice because he already pleaded guilty for being a member of the Cartel of the Sons.

And he said that he knows and he participated in giving drug money to Gustavo Petro, to Lula da Silva, to the Kishner's marriage in Argentina, to Cinque Estelle, five stars in Italy, to Podemos, the party, Podemos in Spain.

So he is already giving out this information this week in the United States, but there'll be more.