7/7: The Inside Story – A New Terror Paradigm • Episode 6

CONFLICTED

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History, Religion & Spirituality

4.7 • 1.5K Ratings

🗓️ 13 October 2025

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Conflicted: 7/7 The Inside Story is now live to all our dear listeners! New episodes of this 6 part Conflicted special documentary series will release every Monday. But if you want to listen to them all right now and ad-free, you'll have to sign up to the Conflicted Community. All the information you need to sign up is on this link: ⁠https://conflicted.supportingcast.fm/⁠ -- When a horrific terrorist attack against children spawned some of the most violent riots in recent UK history, it revealed a sinister undercurrent of racial, religious, and multicultural tensions flowing just beneath the surface of British society. Fuelled by voices from the Far-Right, the riots saw a mosque burned and a hotel housing asylum seekers set on fire. But the killer, Axel Rudukabana, was neither muslim or an immigrant. He was British - and known to the security services as a risk. So what does this attack reveal about the future of terror attacks in the United Kingdom? And why was this attack met with violence rather than anguish? What’s changed in the fabric of our society? And what can we do about it? In this final episode of 7/7: The Inside Story we explore the existential questions of British identity raised by this series, culminating in an exclusive interview with former Minister of Security, and long time Conflicted listener, Conservative MP Tom Tugendhat. Conflicted - 7/7 The Inside Story is produced by Message Heard for Wondery. Hosted by Thomas Small. This series was written and produced by Harry Stott and Leo Danczak. Production Coordinator is Kirsty McLean. Sound design and engineering by Alan Leer, Ivan Eastley and Lizzy Andrews. Music by Tom Biddle. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Our lives are becoming more reliant on electricity than ever.
0:03.2	We're streaming, cooking, working, charging our cars,
0:06.8	even sending that hilarious joke in the group chat.
0:09.3	So soon we'll need even more electricity.
0:11.9	We could be harnessing more affordable sources of homegrown energy,
0:16.1	but we need to grow our electricity grid to connect it.
0:19.2	Leave that with us, and we'll leave you to overanalyze
0:22.2	the excruciating silence of seeing two ticks. But no reply. Moving the grid forward moves us all
0:29.3	forward. It's just before midday on the 29th of July, 2024.
0:38.3	A hot summer's day in the seaside town of Southport, just north of Liverpool, in the northwest of England.
0:45.3	We're in a place called the Heart Space, a community activities studio just east of the town center.
0:52.3	It's the summer holidays, and 26 children are enjoying themselves
0:56.6	at a Taylor Swift-themed dance workshop hosted by local dance instructors. But then a man in a green
1:05.2	hoodie slips into the studio holding a knife. Silently, methodically, he attacks the children and instructors,
1:13.6	killing three, injuring ten. Police arrive ten minutes later and find the assailant just waiting for them.
1:22.6	But here, police command lose control of the situation.
1:27.8	Before they reveal information about the attacker to the public, someone else does it for
1:32.7	them.
1:33.9	False information begins to circulate on social media, identifying the suspect as an Islamist
1:39.6	migrant.
1:41.1	These messages are swiftly amplified by the far right and across the UK calls for mass protest ring out.
1:49.0	Immediately after the stabbings of course, there was a national outcry and one got the sense that this was a powder cake situation, things were going to kick off.
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