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The demonization of fat, the demonization of saturated fat, the demonization of cholesterol.

All these things that we got wrong have just then been the bedrock of everything else that's gone wrong since.

Fiber is literally many sugars of the indigestable kind.

So why would people be telling me to consume many sugars that I can't digest, let alone to the tune of

30 grams every single day? Why would that be happening? If you look at what we need to get

in the diet and where do we find what we need to get, it just turns everything on its head because

you say, okay, we need vitamins and minerals and essential fatty acids and complete protein.

We find them in animal foods, particularly in red meat and oily fish and egg yolks and

full fat dairy. And that's actually all you need to eat. You don't actually need any plants

and you can get everything you need. They just came at it from completely the wrong point of view.

It is utterly mad that our government's

saying to us have 350 to 400 grams of carbohydrate but eat less sugar. It is all just sugar

that the body then has to deal with. The idea that we're telling people to have more carbohydrate

and less sugar is just another thing that is so misunderstood. It's just showing that

whoever is telling you to do that is very, very ignorant when it comes to nutrition.

Zoe, when it comes to the current dietary guidelines, whether it be where you're at in the

UK or here over in North America, what are we actually getting right, if anything?

It's definitely quicker to say what we're doing wrong, I think, which is just everything.

I just, I mean, what are we getting right?

I just can't think of anything.

And we got your guidelines, so you kind of kicked it all off.

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