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🗓️ 11 June 2025
⏱️ 80 minutes
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Protests in Los Angeles against the Trump administration’s immigration policies have turned violent, but will the images of vandalism and attacks on police actually help the President? And Phil asks if there is any way to prevent necessary mass protests from becoming violent. One of the most respected Bible scholars of the last century has passed away. Old Testament professor Walter Bruggemann contrasted the world’s vision of scarcity with God’s kingdom of abundance, but Kaitlyn thinks his understanding of exile is over-applied today. Skye talks with his Holy Post Media colleague, Esau McCaulley, about his vocation as a priest, professor, and podcaster, and his desire to see Christianity applied to both the beauty and brokenness of the culture. Also this week—flying zebras and burning Waymos.
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0:00 - Show Starts
4:30 - Theme Song
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7:20 - Runaway Ed the Zebra!
14:33 - LA Protests, Self-Driving Cars
20:30 - Is Violent Protest Inevitable?
30:38 - Walter Brueggemann’s Passing
34:22 - Kaitlyn’s Disagreement with Brueggemann
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45:25 - Interview
47:32 - Why Esau’s an Anglican Priest
54:30 - Why Esau’s a Podcaster
1:04:20 - How Does Esau’s Brain Work?
1:12:38 - White Evangelicals Centering
1:19:45 - End Credits
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0:00.0 | Welcome to the Holy Post. |
0:02.0 | Protests in LA against the Trump administration's immigration policies have turned violent. |
0:07.0 | But will the images of vandalism and attacks on police actually help the president? |
0:11.0 | Phil asks, is there any way to really prevent necessary protests from becoming violent? |
0:16.0 | And one of the most respected Bible scholars of the last century has passed away. Old Testament |
0:21.8 | Professor Walter Brugamon contrasted the world's vision of scarcity with God's kingdom of abundance. |
0:27.8 | But Caitlin thinks his understanding of exile is over-applied today. Then I have a conversation |
0:32.9 | with my Holy Post Media colleague Esau McCauley about his vocation as a priest, a professor, and |
0:38.6 | a podcaster, and his desire to see Christianity applied to both the beauty and the brokenness |
0:44.2 | in our culture. Also this week, Flying Zebras and Burning Waymoes. There's a whole lot of great |
0:50.8 | things happening over at Holy Post Plus. We have a new series of Hills to Die on, where Holy Post media voices give their hot takes on all kinds of things, |
0:59.0 | from swearing and communion to burgers and bidets. Plus, chapter one of my new book, The World |
1:04.5 | Born and You, is now exclusively available on Holy Post Plus, with new chapters being |
1:09.3 | released every month. I'm also doing the first live stream with readers, where you can interact with me about the chapter |
1:15.6 | and get a preview of what I'm working on for Chapter 2. |
1:18.6 | And for those of you who are eager for some good news and inspiration, Holy Post Media CEO |
1:23.6 | John Houghton has a two-part interview on Holy Post Plus with the founders of the Association |
1:28.6 | for a more just society and the incredible story of the work they're doing in Central America. |
1:34.2 | To access all of that and everything else that we're making at Holy Post Media, you need |
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1:40.4 | I promise you will not regret it. |
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