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Best Case Worst Case

67 | Relentless (Part 2): Paul Holes & the Golden State Killer Live From CrimeCon

Best Case Worst Case

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True Crime, Documentary, Society & Culture

4.13.2K Ratings

🗓️ 11 May 2018

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Live from CrimeCon Paul Holes discusses #behindpolicelines details about his relentless pursuit of the Golden State Killer over decades

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0:00.0

So it's huge insight for the homicide investigators who up to that point were just chasing a ghost.

0:11.0

Traits of a sexual sadist, we know that these women suffered.

0:17.0

Enditements of very famous soccer players and the jury did not believe the woman.

0:31.0

Hello and welcome to Best Case Worst Case. This is your host Jim Clemente, former New York City prosecutor, retired FBI profiler and writer producer on CBS's Criminal Minds.

0:45.0

And with me today in the studio is...

0:47.0

Hi everybody, it's Francie Hakes, former state and federal prosecutor. How are you Jim?

0:51.0

I'm great. I'm really happy to be here again live at CrimeCon.

1:01.0

With our very special guest, I'm Paul Holes, retired co-case detective from Contra Coss County DA's office.

1:14.0

I have a quick question. Can you guys come back to LA with us and do this all the time?

1:20.0

We love this. So we've been talking to detective Paul Holes about a very interesting co-case that he worked.

1:29.0

And this case has now jumped from jurisdiction up north in California down to southern California.

1:36.0

What did you think when you found out that this offender was actually physically with the N.A. scientifically tied to southern California now?

1:47.0

And there's an escalation.

1:49.0

Very much this was an escalation. That was an evolution where you see this guy that is doing the sexual assaults in northern California.

1:59.0

And towards the end of his northern California series, the female victims were starting to say he's not getting what he needs.

2:07.0

So there was a sense...

2:09.0

Wait, wait, wait, what do you mean by that? What did they mean by that?

2:11.0

So what they were meaning is, is during the sexual assault they were sensing that this guy just wasn't getting satisfied.

2:18.0

And they thought that he wanted more out of it. And then when he shows up in southern California and he's making the statement,

2:25.0

I'm going to kill him. I'm going to kill him this time in the very first attack down there. In his mind, he is recognizing he needs to do more.

2:33.0

He is escalating psychologically. And we saw that. Now we had tied the DNA between northern California and southern California. Now we know he did escalate to homicide.

2:44.0

Right. And so when we look at this from a profiling perspective or a behavioral perspective, typically we see this kind of escalation happen in serial rape cases when the offender is almost caught.

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